Systemdpocalypse 258

https://github.com/systemd/systemd/releases

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Announcements of Future Feature Removals:

* Support for System V service scripts is deprecated and will be
removed in v258. Please make sure to update your software
*now* to include a native systemd unit file instead of a legacy
System V script to retain compatibility with future systemd releases.

1. For those who are using systemd, be aware.

It means the existing SystemV initscripts that have been used in compatibility mode could be removed altogether. You should make sure that there is a systemd unit file for things you are running, if any of those has been starting by systemd using the sysvinit scripts.

My recommendation is that before doing upgrades, always check the systemd version that will be upgraded (-s stands for simulated, basically a dry run).

apt-get -s upgrade

or if upgrading to the next Debian version:

apt-get -s dist-upgrade

The log will tell which systemd version is a candidate in the upgrade. And then make your decision.

2. For those who are using sysvinit, check the orphan-sysvinit-scripts package.

Usually some Debian/Devuan developers will gather the removed initscripts and package them in the Debian orphan-sysvinit-scripts package. Upgrade this Debian package will bring them back.

See which initscripts were/are brought back

dpkg -L orphan-sysvinit-scripts

Good luck and, be careful out there :)

NOTE: this thread is not a place for another systemd flame war. Please refrain from making it one.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/25/2024 05:03PM by bodhi.

Just saw debian 12.9 released, can upgrade quite a few packages.

systemd/stable 252.33-1~deb12u1 armel [upgradable from: 252.31-1~deb12u1]

Still okay.

Maybe working together with Devuan(=Debian without systemd)? They do have arm(el) images and a lot of dtb too (https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/beowulf/main/installer-armel/current/images/ and https://arm-files.devuan.org/RaspberryPi%20Latest%20Builds/). The most recent images are mainly for RPi´s but older versions exist for orion and kirkwood.

> Maybe working together with Devuan(=Debian without
> systemd)? They do have arm(el) images and a lot of
> dtb too

I'm sticking to Debian for a while. But I'm appreciative of Devuan developers keeping upstreaming the compatibility packages to Debian to make life easier for many.

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*Nevermind*



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/20/2025 03:41AM by jungle_roger.

I'm running Debian testing (13 in progress), armel support is still going there. As of this morning they're shipping Systemd 257.2-1. I expect they'll move to 258 before releasing 13 barring some major snafu or timing mismatch, so should have most things Debian ships already setup for this brave new world. Meanwhile, I can't see them moving 12 to 258, I think they'll just do security backports to 257 to run out the rest of 12's runtime?

> I'm running Debian testing (13 in progress), armel
> support is still going there. As of this morning
> they're shipping Systemd 257.2-1. I expect they'll
> move to 258 before releasing 13 barring some major
> snafu or timing mismatch, so should have most
> things Debian ships already setup for this brave
> new world. Meanwhile, I can't see them moving 12
> to 258, I think they'll just do security backports
> to 257 to run out the rest of 12's runtime?

I would expect Debian Testing will have systemd 258 before Debian 13 released, too.

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I heard that Trixie (Debian 13) will be released around August 9th.

I've been running Trixie on a couple of my "beefier" boxes, so far still okay.

# dpkg -l systemd
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
| Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
|/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
||/ Name           Version      Architecture Description
+++-==============-============-============-=================================
ii  systemd        257.7-1      armel        system and service manager

# cat /etc/debian_version
13.1

# dpkg -l systemd
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
| Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
|/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
||/ Name           Version         Architecture Description
+++-==============-===============-============-=================================
ii  systemd        257.8-1~deb13u1 armel        system and service manager

Yes, I recall reading that systemd 258 will be in Debian forky, not trixie.

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bodhi Wrote:
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> Yes, I recall reading that systemd 258 will be in
> Debian forky, not trixie.

That's good to know.